Interview With Michael Frost about ReJesus: A Wild Messiah for a Missional Church (BONUS QUESTION!)

Like for many of you, “The Shaping of Things to Come: Innovation and Mission for the 21 Century Church” by Michael Frost & Alan Hirsch was a groundbreaking book in my understanding of being the Body of Christ. So I was thrilled when I heard they were co-writing another book. “ReJesus: A Wild Messiah for a Missional Church” was released this month to many eager and expectant readers, myself included. The book description is as follows:
ReJesus asks the following questions:
* What ongoing role does Jesus the Messiah play in shaping the ethos and self understanding of the movement that originated in him?
* How is the Christian religion informed and shaped by the Jesus that we meet in the Gospels?
* How do we assess the continuity required between the life and example of Jesus and the subsequent religion called Christianity?
* In how many ways do we domesticate the radical Revolutionary in order to sustain our religion and religiosity?
* How can a rediscovery of Jesus renew our discipleship, the Christian community, and the ongoing mission of the church.
These questions take us to the core of what the church is all about. Rather than reformation, the authors call their task re-founding the church because it raises the issue of the Church’s true Founder or Foundation. This theme is of particular importance at the dawn of the twenty-first century as many attempt to address Christianity’s endemic and long trended decline in the West. The authors feel that a spiritual, theological, missional, and existential crisis looms in the West.
Rather than the typical review, I asked Mike if I could ask him a few questions about the book. I hope you enjoy:
Jamie: I am sure you and Alan have much you could write about that is important to you. Why did you choose this topic? Why is it so important to you?
Michael: What could be more important to us than Jesus! Seriously, we think it’s the very thing that missiologists should be addressing. In our first book together, The Shaping of Things to Come, we presented a little maxim that I’ve seen repeated in a variety of places that goes: our christology should lead to our missiology which in turn will lead to our ecclesiology. In other words, the way we understand the gospels and the character of God revealed to us in Jesus will affect our way of thinking about our mission in the world. If we get our christology right, it will lead to a right missiology. If we engage missionally in a godly fashion, issues such as how to ‘do’ church (ecclesiology) will take care of themselves. In Shaping, we argued that a great many church leaders want to start with questions about how to ‘do’ church. We argued strongly that we need to go back to the gospels and let Jesus give rise to our missiology. ‘Doing’ church then kinda falls out the back of a biblical missiology. So it makes sense that our second book together should focus on a missional christology.
J: How does this book complement “The Shaping of Things to Come”? And “Exiles”?
M: Well, as I just mentioned, it really is the next logical step on from Shaping. I wrote Exiles a few years ago as a way of trying to popularise the material in Shaping for a broader audience. Anyone who has read Exiles will know it begins with an extended reflection on how Jesus should shape us as missional exiles in a post-Christendom age. In fact, it’s often been mentioned to me that the early section in that book on Jesus is the most helpful. I think ReJesus is just the next step in this process. It takes what I’ve witten about before and expands it into a fuller missional framework for appreciating the person and work of Jesus. That is to say, rather than only ever approaching the biblical Jesus devotionally (as most Christians seem to) we also need to approach him missionally, as the template for all godly missional activity in this world.
J: Who is this book primarily written for?
M: I guess it’ll get picked up by the missional church community and those who’ve valued the work that Alan and I do. But we wrote ReJesus with potential new readers in mind as well. You don’t have to have read Shaping or Exiles or The Forgotten Ways to appreciate this book. We are hoping for a wide readership for ReJesus because we think it goes to the core of Christian ‘business’ today - that is, the radical imitation of Christ by his followers. We dare to suggest that such radical imitation might actually contribute to the renewal of the church in the West. Anyone who’s into that agenda will value the book, I hope.
J: If you were to be critiqued or questioned any idea(s) presented in the book, which would they be and why?
M: Some might ask why we’ve just leaped over 2000 years of church history and landed right back in the gospels again. Surely, they might ask, there’s much we can learn from church history and the various renewal movements that have happened throughout that history. I’d agree with them, in a sense. But David Bosch’s wonderful Transforming Mission, does exactly that - tracing missiology throughout its various historical paradigms. We want to suggest that the gospels should provide a constant troubler to the church’s soul and whenever we get too institutionalised, too arrogant, too far from Jesus’ vision, they should jerk us back into line. In the book, we refer to the booster jets on a spaceship. Apparently most spaceships drift off course quite regularly, drawn by gravitational pull, until their boosters fire up and push them back on target. We think the gospels should do the same for the church. Whenever we’re drifting too far off course, they fire us back on track.
J: I’ve read in a recent review a concern that the books emphasis on Christology might lack adequate to a Trinitarian theology. How would you respond to this concern?
M: Well, it’s a popular attempt at a missional christology - that is, how the church must be shaped missionally by Jesus. I think if it was attempting a more scholarly and thoroughgoing christology a sustained discussion about the trinity would have been more appropriate. But we are taking a more narrow focus in this book. In a relatively short book we are wanting to inflame our readers with a desire to re-Jesus their churches and their lives. Now, some would argue that any biblical missiology must be anchored in a trinitarian theology and I couldn’t agree more. But I think the likes of Bosch and Newbigin and others have made that case quite clearly. I detect a growing awareness that the primary motivator for Christian mission must be located in the character and nature of the triune God. Assuming that, we are digging a bit deeper into the gospels to explore what mission looks like when lived out by the enfleshed God. I think the review you read (if it’s the same one I read) is criticising us for what we don’t say in ReJesus rather than for anything we do say. I think that’s a bit tough. I think it’s perfectly legitimate to write a book emphasising that God is Jesus-like without providing a sustained treatment of the trinity. The danger is that we might have ended up with some lofty high-falutin ontological discussion of the mysterious nature of the Godhead and lead our readers away from where we wanted to go - to a practical, action-focused framework for mission-in-the-way-of-Jesus.
J: Tell your readers something odd and unique about you they might not have read or heard before.
M: Frankly, I don’t think there’s anything odd about me, although I recall Alan Hirsch once telling me I was a “strange man”. I wasn’t sure what he meant, and when I asked, he just repeated, “Frosty, you are a very strange dude.”
Since Mike refused to ‘fess up, I contacted Alan Hirsch for the scoop. Here is what he has to say about Odd Frosty:
“He is a human GPS! He looks at a map once, and never has to again…and he’s almost always right. Weird!”


